1 00:00:43,130 --> 00:00:44,044 Sophie: Okay. 2 00:00:48,483 --> 00:00:49,875 Jean: I know you've been reluctant 3 00:00:49,962 --> 00:00:51,616 to speak on camera about 4 00:00:51,703 --> 00:00:53,705 your relationship with Michael until now. 5 00:00:53,792 --> 00:00:55,707 So thank you. 6 00:00:55,794 --> 00:00:57,448 Sophie: Of course. 7 00:00:57,535 --> 00:00:59,537 Jean: How long have you been together? 8 00:00:59,624 --> 00:01:01,322 Hm... 12 years. 9 00:01:01,409 --> 00:01:03,715 Right after the trial ended. 10 00:01:04,890 --> 00:01:06,283 Jean: How did you meet? 11 00:01:06,370 --> 00:01:07,719 Well... 12 00:01:12,072 --> 00:01:13,203 Hm... 13 00:01:14,596 --> 00:01:16,467 C-Can we start with something else? 14 00:01:16,554 --> 00:01:18,513 Okay, let's start with today. 15 00:01:19,905 --> 00:01:22,647 Do you think today is proof 16 00:01:22,734 --> 00:01:24,823 that the justice system works? 17 00:01:26,999 --> 00:01:28,436 It's hard to say. 18 00:01:33,223 --> 00:01:35,138 What is justice? 19 00:01:35,225 --> 00:01:36,705 Jim Hardin: I've said from day one 20 00:01:36,792 --> 00:01:38,185 that it can only be one thing. 21 00:01:50,066 --> 00:01:52,373 Sonya Pfeiffer: This is Sonya Pfeiffer for ABC 11 News. 22 00:01:52,460 --> 00:01:54,853 It's been a long and winding journey, but we're here. 23 00:01:54,940 --> 00:01:57,117 Day one of the Michael Peterson trial. 24 00:01:57,204 --> 00:01:58,770 A year and a-- 25 00:01:58,857 --> 00:02:00,468 Sophie: A trial's simply two sides 26 00:02:00,555 --> 00:02:02,296 competing to tell a better story. 27 00:02:02,383 --> 00:02:04,211 Jim: We're gonna contend to you 28 00:02:04,298 --> 00:02:06,952 that after a vicious argument with his wife, 29 00:02:07,039 --> 00:02:10,478 Michael Peterson murdered Kathleen 30 00:02:10,565 --> 00:02:13,611 in cold blood, beating her in the head... 31 00:02:15,700 --> 00:02:18,050 with this. 32 00:02:18,138 --> 00:02:19,922 David Rudolf: And where is this 33 00:02:20,009 --> 00:02:22,316 elusive murder weapon? 34 00:02:22,403 --> 00:02:26,972 They can't find it because it doesn't exist. 35 00:02:27,059 --> 00:02:31,412 The fact of the matter is, Kathleen had some wine, 36 00:02:31,499 --> 00:02:35,285 some champagne, and some Valium 37 00:02:35,372 --> 00:02:36,852 and fell. 38 00:02:36,939 --> 00:02:38,941 Sophie: And 12 jurors declare 39 00:02:39,028 --> 00:02:40,812 one of the stories the winner. 40 00:02:40,899 --> 00:02:43,250 And that story becomes justice. 41 00:02:43,337 --> 00:02:45,165 And what sort of sexual activities 42 00:02:45,252 --> 00:02:47,341 would you perform for men 43 00:02:47,428 --> 00:02:48,994 that you might have been prepared 44 00:02:49,081 --> 00:02:51,388 to perform with Michael Peterson? 45 00:02:51,475 --> 00:02:54,565 I mean, pretty much anything under the sun. 46 00:03:06,882 --> 00:03:10,059 I mean, pretty much anything under the sun. 47 00:03:11,756 --> 00:03:14,977 Is it fair to say the men you serviced 48 00:03:15,064 --> 00:03:18,676 were bisexual as opposed to being homosexual? 49 00:03:18,763 --> 00:03:21,201 I'd go so far as to say that they were 50 00:03:21,288 --> 00:03:23,028 mostly straight married guys 51 00:03:23,115 --> 00:03:25,988 with some minor homosexual tendencies. 52 00:03:28,208 --> 00:03:32,777 Jim: Can you identify state's exhibit 72 for me, please? 53 00:03:32,864 --> 00:03:36,346 Candace: Yes, that is my... blow poke. 54 00:03:37,826 --> 00:03:40,002 You blow through it. 55 00:03:40,089 --> 00:03:42,004 Jim: And you gave one of these blow pokes 56 00:03:42,091 --> 00:03:43,875 to every member of your family? 57 00:03:43,962 --> 00:03:47,227 Yes. For Christmas of 1984. 58 00:03:47,314 --> 00:03:49,011 Jim: Including Kathleen? 59 00:03:49,098 --> 00:03:52,754 Yes. She was not only my older sister, 60 00:03:52,841 --> 00:03:55,191 but she was my best friend. 61 00:03:55,278 --> 00:03:57,237 You did state to police 62 00:03:57,324 --> 00:04:00,109 the only relationship you saw 63 00:04:00,196 --> 00:04:02,938 between Michael and Kathleen 64 00:04:03,025 --> 00:04:06,724 was a "truly loving, 65 00:04:06,811 --> 00:04:08,813 respectful marriage." 66 00:04:08,900 --> 00:04:10,685 Right? 67 00:04:10,772 --> 00:04:11,990 Candace: That was an old version of me. 68 00:04:12,077 --> 00:04:13,775 The new informed me, 69 00:04:13,862 --> 00:04:16,168 the me sitting here in this courtroom, 70 00:04:16,256 --> 00:04:19,998 can confidently say that I have no idea 71 00:04:20,085 --> 00:04:22,000 who the hell Michael Peterson was then 72 00:04:22,087 --> 00:04:23,567 or is now. 73 00:04:23,654 --> 00:04:24,525 Does that clear it up for you? 74 00:04:28,703 --> 00:04:30,879 little more than a game, 75 00:04:30,966 --> 00:04:35,275 a game that shapes the outcome of a man's life. 76 00:04:35,362 --> 00:04:38,278 As for what's happening today, 77 00:04:38,365 --> 00:04:41,455 this feels bigger than justice. 78 00:04:41,542 --> 00:04:44,153 I would say, um, it's fate. 79 00:04:46,938 --> 00:04:49,506 Jim: You've got cast-off outside the header 80 00:04:49,593 --> 00:04:51,769 and on the west wall of the hallway. 81 00:04:51,856 --> 00:04:53,162 How could that happen? 82 00:04:53,249 --> 00:04:55,077 The assailant was standing 83 00:04:55,164 --> 00:04:57,688 on the outside of the stairwell, 84 00:04:57,775 --> 00:04:59,299 swingin' the weapon... 85 00:05:04,042 --> 00:05:07,219 and creating this 86 00:05:07,307 --> 00:05:09,439 blood cast-off pattern. 87 00:05:09,526 --> 00:05:12,964 Jim: So to be clear, in your opinion, 88 00:05:13,051 --> 00:05:15,358 this had to have been a beating? 89 00:05:15,445 --> 00:05:16,751 Duane Deaver: That's correct. 90 00:05:16,838 --> 00:05:19,144 The impact spatter 91 00:05:19,231 --> 00:05:22,147 on the inside of the defendant's shorts 92 00:05:22,234 --> 00:05:24,149 simply does not occur 93 00:05:24,236 --> 00:05:27,370 unless he's standing over her as he strikes. 94 00:05:27,457 --> 00:05:29,720 And that's consistent with crime scenes 95 00:05:29,807 --> 00:05:31,505 you've overseen in the past? 96 00:05:31,592 --> 00:05:33,985 Duane: This is extremely consistent. 97 00:05:34,072 --> 00:05:35,944 Jim: And why should we trust you? 98 00:05:36,031 --> 00:05:40,122 Well, sir, I've written over 200 bloodstain reports 99 00:05:40,209 --> 00:05:43,647 and overseen... 500 scenes. 100 00:05:43,734 --> 00:05:45,519 That guy looks like a penis. 101 00:05:47,999 --> 00:05:50,219 Jim: No further questions, Your Honor. 102 00:05:50,306 --> 00:05:52,264 Judge Hudson: You may be dismissed. 103 00:05:52,352 --> 00:05:54,876 - Let's take a 10-minute recess. - Todd Peterson: Jesus. 104 00:05:54,963 --> 00:05:56,878 It looks bad on TV, dude. 105 00:05:56,965 --> 00:05:58,880 Todd: What do I keep telling you? 106 00:05:58,967 --> 00:06:00,621 Do not watch that shit. 107 00:06:00,708 --> 00:06:02,405 Yeah, but the commentators are saying-- 108 00:06:02,492 --> 00:06:05,800 Hey, listen to what I am saying. 109 00:06:05,887 --> 00:06:07,671 I am sitting here where it's real. 110 00:06:07,758 --> 00:06:09,673 We gotta get going. 111 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,241 Todd: Things are going great. Okay? 112 00:06:12,328 --> 00:06:14,461 When Radisch takes the stand, things are gonna go our way. 113 00:06:14,548 --> 00:06:17,725 Yeah, look, I-- I just really feel like I should be there. 114 00:06:17,812 --> 00:06:19,857 Clay, hold on. Hold on one second. 115 00:06:19,944 --> 00:06:21,772 Alright. I'm headed back to Reno. 116 00:06:21,859 --> 00:06:22,991 I'll see you in a week and a half. 117 00:06:23,078 --> 00:06:24,471 Clayton: Todd! 118 00:06:26,081 --> 00:06:27,256 Todd. 119 00:06:30,172 --> 00:06:33,871 David: So... tomorrow is huge. 120 00:06:33,958 --> 00:06:38,093 They're going big, showing these autopsy photos. 121 00:06:38,180 --> 00:06:40,965 So we really need everyone there. 122 00:06:41,052 --> 00:06:43,272 Arm-in-arm. United front. 123 00:06:46,362 --> 00:06:48,712 I can't go. I'm sorry. I can't. 124 00:06:49,844 --> 00:06:52,586 Okay, I hear that. I do. 125 00:06:52,673 --> 00:06:54,675 And no one's going to force you. 126 00:06:54,762 --> 00:06:56,241 Of course, you're going to force me. 127 00:06:56,328 --> 00:06:58,679 That's what this meeting is about. 128 00:06:58,766 --> 00:07:00,420 I mean, would anyone really notice 129 00:07:00,507 --> 00:07:01,551 if she wasn't there? 130 00:07:03,335 --> 00:07:07,905 Um, I mean, maybe 10, 15 years ago, no. 131 00:07:07,992 --> 00:07:09,385 But, you know, now there's... 132 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:11,648 cameras everywhere. 133 00:07:11,735 --> 00:07:13,433 Everyone sees everything. 134 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,609 So... 135 00:07:15,696 --> 00:07:18,046 if you're absent and Caitlin is there... 136 00:07:18,133 --> 00:07:19,961 Optics aren't great. 137 00:07:20,048 --> 00:07:22,790 Todd: I mean, Clayton's been asking to come home. 138 00:07:22,877 --> 00:07:25,836 - You know, maybe he should-- - No, no, no. 139 00:07:25,923 --> 00:07:28,143 No, not for this. Just keep pushing him off. 140 00:07:28,230 --> 00:07:30,537 Todd: Okay. 141 00:07:30,624 --> 00:07:32,147 Well, maybe Martha could take 142 00:07:32,234 --> 00:07:34,715 one of Kathleen's Valium, you know. 143 00:07:34,802 --> 00:07:37,544 - Or just a half. - Martha: No. No! I'm not going to go. 144 00:07:37,631 --> 00:07:39,589 I'm not going. I'm not going to sit there and watch. 145 00:07:39,676 --> 00:07:41,156 I'm not going to do it. 146 00:07:41,243 --> 00:07:42,679 I'm sorry, I'm not. 147 00:07:42,766 --> 00:07:44,420 I'm not going. 148 00:07:44,507 --> 00:07:45,856 Freda Black: State your name and profession 149 00:07:45,943 --> 00:07:47,597 for the court, please. 150 00:07:47,684 --> 00:07:50,382 My name is Dr. Deborah L. Radisch. 151 00:07:50,470 --> 00:07:51,993 I'm a forensic pathologist 152 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,082 and the associate chief medical examiner 153 00:07:54,169 --> 00:07:56,040 for the state of North Carolina. 154 00:07:56,127 --> 00:07:58,521 And you performed the autopsy on Kathleen Peterson? 155 00:07:58,608 --> 00:07:59,827 Dr. Radisch: That is correct. 156 00:07:59,914 --> 00:08:01,524 Freda: If it pleases the court, 157 00:08:01,611 --> 00:08:04,440 I'd like to display exhibit 79a and 79b, 158 00:08:04,527 --> 00:08:07,487 in a large format for easy viewing. 159 00:08:07,574 --> 00:08:10,620 These images are... graphic. 160 00:08:10,707 --> 00:08:13,057 Judge Hudson: Proceed. 161 00:08:13,144 --> 00:08:14,711 I think I'm going to have a panic attack. 162 00:08:37,908 --> 00:08:39,257 Yeah... 163 00:08:55,056 --> 00:08:56,536 - Can't we object? - Shh. 164 00:08:56,623 --> 00:08:58,668 - David, stop her-- - Not now. 165 00:09:00,191 --> 00:09:01,758 Freda: Dr. Radisch, 166 00:09:01,845 --> 00:09:03,760 you ruled Kathleen's death a homicide. 167 00:09:03,847 --> 00:09:05,501 I did. 168 00:09:05,588 --> 00:09:07,024 From blunt force trauma to the head. 169 00:09:08,983 --> 00:09:10,898 You think the fractured cartilage 170 00:09:10,985 --> 00:09:13,596 in Kathleen's thyroid indicates 171 00:09:13,683 --> 00:09:16,773 that a strangulation attempt is merely possible? 172 00:09:16,860 --> 00:09:19,123 It's more than possible. It's probable. 173 00:09:19,210 --> 00:09:22,997 But your report said it was only, 174 00:09:23,084 --> 00:09:26,957 what, suggestive of a strangulation attempt? 175 00:09:27,044 --> 00:09:29,917 I would say it was highly, highly likely 176 00:09:30,004 --> 00:09:32,615 an attempt at strangulation was made. 177 00:09:32,702 --> 00:09:35,792 But can you say that with a reasonable degree 178 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:37,707 of medical certainty? 179 00:09:37,794 --> 00:09:40,057 Yes. Yes, I can. 180 00:09:40,144 --> 00:09:43,104 Okay. Then would you say with a reasonable degree 181 00:09:43,191 --> 00:09:47,935 of medical certainty that Kathleen Peterson was killed 182 00:09:48,022 --> 00:09:50,372 by blunt force trauma to the head? 183 00:09:50,459 --> 00:09:52,940 Yes. 184 00:09:53,027 --> 00:09:56,117 - Okay. May I approach? - Judge Hudson: Yes. 185 00:09:56,204 --> 00:09:59,599 I just want to put these binders up here. 186 00:09:59,686 --> 00:10:01,688 - Ms. Radisch. - Dr. Radisch. 187 00:10:01,775 --> 00:10:03,820 Forgive me, Dr. Radisch. 188 00:10:03,907 --> 00:10:06,040 Um, I want you to tell me 189 00:10:06,127 --> 00:10:09,217 if, um, these appear to be a collection 190 00:10:09,304 --> 00:10:11,306 of all the autopsies 191 00:10:11,393 --> 00:10:14,526 involving blunt force trauma to the head in North Carolina 192 00:10:14,614 --> 00:10:17,529 from 1991 to 2003. 193 00:10:17,617 --> 00:10:19,053 Objection. 194 00:10:19,140 --> 00:10:20,663 Overruled. 195 00:10:20,750 --> 00:10:22,012 She may respond however she'd like. 196 00:10:26,364 --> 00:10:29,324 I don't think I can give you an accurate answer to that. 197 00:10:29,411 --> 00:10:31,413 - Not today. - David: Alright. 198 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:35,504 Alright. Well, we went back at least a decade 199 00:10:35,591 --> 00:10:39,464 and pulled the case files for every beating death 200 00:10:39,551 --> 00:10:41,641 in the state of North Carolina. 201 00:10:41,728 --> 00:10:44,948 Two hundred fifty-seven, to be precise, 202 00:10:45,035 --> 00:10:49,300 and found that in every case, 203 00:10:49,387 --> 00:10:52,869 whether the object was hollow 204 00:10:52,956 --> 00:10:54,088 or hard 205 00:10:54,175 --> 00:10:57,047 or thin or heavy, 206 00:10:57,134 --> 00:11:00,268 every single time, 207 00:11:00,355 --> 00:11:03,575 the beating resulted in either a skull fracture 208 00:11:03,663 --> 00:11:08,232 or massive injury to the brain. 209 00:11:08,319 --> 00:11:10,147 In many cases, it was both. 210 00:11:10,234 --> 00:11:11,714 Are you aware of this? 211 00:11:11,801 --> 00:11:13,411 No. Because like I said, 212 00:11:13,498 --> 00:11:14,978 I haven't had a chance to review these-- 213 00:11:15,065 --> 00:11:17,024 Alright. Well, let's, let's just assume 214 00:11:17,111 --> 00:11:19,026 for right now that it's true... 215 00:11:19,983 --> 00:11:21,202 which it is. 216 00:11:25,902 --> 00:11:28,905 Kathleen Peterson didn't have any skull fracture, did she? 217 00:11:28,992 --> 00:11:31,168 She didn't, but she did have a multitude... 218 00:11:31,255 --> 00:11:33,736 - David: Doctor-- - ...of facial injuries and broken cartilage. 219 00:11:33,823 --> 00:11:35,738 These-- These are yes-or-no questions, Doctor. 220 00:11:35,825 --> 00:11:38,741 Was there skull fracturing? 221 00:11:38,828 --> 00:11:40,874 No, there wasn't. 222 00:11:40,961 --> 00:11:44,094 David: She also didn't have any broken bones. 223 00:11:44,181 --> 00:11:47,881 - No. - Or contusions on the brain. 224 00:11:47,968 --> 00:11:49,578 No, she did not. 225 00:11:49,665 --> 00:11:52,102 Or edema, did she? 226 00:11:52,668 --> 00:11:53,582 No. 227 00:11:56,585 --> 00:11:58,892 David: Given that some combination of these 228 00:11:58,979 --> 00:12:03,810 was found in literally every one of these cases... 229 00:12:06,247 --> 00:12:10,077 is it possible in order to reach the conclusion 230 00:12:10,164 --> 00:12:13,428 that Kathleen Peterson's death was... 231 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:15,996 a homicide... 232 00:12:18,259 --> 00:12:20,043 that you were coached by the DA? 233 00:12:20,130 --> 00:12:21,610 Objection. 234 00:12:21,697 --> 00:12:23,351 David: Withdrawn. 235 00:12:25,875 --> 00:12:28,182 David: Nothing further, Your Honor. 236 00:12:28,269 --> 00:12:29,661 Judge Hudson: You may be dismissed. 237 00:12:57,341 --> 00:12:59,691 Did I ever tell you about the first time I heard classical music? 238 00:13:02,303 --> 00:13:04,522 My parents and I were, uh, we're driving back 239 00:13:04,609 --> 00:13:06,698 from a Little League game and, um... 240 00:13:08,004 --> 00:13:10,050 I was upset about something. 241 00:13:10,137 --> 00:13:11,225 I guess we must have lost. 242 00:13:12,966 --> 00:13:15,316 And, uh... 243 00:13:15,403 --> 00:13:18,188 we were listening to, uh, to Armed Forces Radio, 244 00:13:18,275 --> 00:13:20,190 which was, you know, it was the only, 245 00:13:20,277 --> 00:13:23,106 only station we could get growing up near Dad's base. 246 00:13:23,193 --> 00:13:26,240 And as we were pulling up to the house, 247 00:13:26,327 --> 00:13:27,719 a sweet little place, 248 00:13:28,459 --> 00:13:29,765 this came on. 249 00:13:31,898 --> 00:13:33,203 Mahler's Fifth. 250 00:13:34,422 --> 00:13:35,597 First Movement. 251 00:13:38,469 --> 00:13:41,124 My dad went to turn it off, and I grabbed his hand. 252 00:13:41,211 --> 00:13:42,734 I said, "Stop. No." 253 00:13:47,478 --> 00:13:49,567 It was the most fabulous thing I'd ever heard. 254 00:13:51,874 --> 00:13:53,310 Now, Dad didn't listen. 255 00:13:53,397 --> 00:13:55,356 He just flipped it off, went inside. 256 00:13:55,443 --> 00:13:57,488 He never liked to be too far from his bourbon. 257 00:13:58,707 --> 00:14:00,927 But my dear mother, 258 00:14:01,014 --> 00:14:03,146 she turned the radio back on, 259 00:14:03,233 --> 00:14:05,061 and she stayed in the car with me. 260 00:14:06,758 --> 00:14:07,934 And we listened. 261 00:14:13,591 --> 00:14:14,984 And the music... 262 00:14:18,553 --> 00:14:19,902 washed over me. 263 00:14:19,989 --> 00:14:22,557 Just... it overwhelmed me. 264 00:14:24,733 --> 00:14:27,127 And I was... 265 00:14:28,345 --> 00:14:29,520 hooked. 266 00:14:31,435 --> 00:14:34,830 Just so much emotion, 267 00:14:34,917 --> 00:14:37,180 so much drama, so much truth. 268 00:14:39,704 --> 00:14:41,924 All without saying a single word. 269 00:14:49,627 --> 00:14:51,978 David won't let me talk, so I take it out on you. 270 00:14:53,631 --> 00:14:55,285 I don't know how you're gonna get all my 271 00:14:55,372 --> 00:14:57,984 rambling into one film. 272 00:14:58,071 --> 00:15:00,290 Our editor is suggesting we make it longer, actually. 273 00:15:01,813 --> 00:15:04,599 TV series. Maybe six or eight episodes. 274 00:15:04,686 --> 00:15:06,122 Really? 275 00:15:06,209 --> 00:15:07,994 Oh. This is the part. 276 00:15:27,361 --> 00:15:28,928 Reporter: The facts of the case suggest truth 277 00:15:29,015 --> 00:15:30,842 is indeed stranger than fiction. 278 00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:33,584 A second woman, Elizabeth Ratliff, 279 00:15:33,671 --> 00:15:35,891 mother to Martha and Margaret Ratliff, 280 00:15:35,978 --> 00:15:38,111 was found dead at the bottom of the stairs 281 00:15:38,198 --> 00:15:40,504 20 years ago in Germany. 282 00:15:40,591 --> 00:15:42,376 The coffin will leave its Texan home 283 00:15:42,463 --> 00:15:44,247 and begin a 1,200-mile journey 284 00:15:44,334 --> 00:15:46,423 across middle America to North Carolina, 285 00:15:46,510 --> 00:15:48,295 where an autopsy will be performed 286 00:15:48,382 --> 00:15:50,253 by medical examiner Deborah L. Radisch. 287 00:15:52,342 --> 00:15:53,865 Jean: Do you believe in objectivity? 288 00:15:54,649 --> 00:15:56,433 Sophie: No. 289 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,392 The only way to get close to objectivity 290 00:15:58,479 --> 00:16:00,960 is by recognizing how subjective we are. 291 00:16:01,047 --> 00:16:04,441 We see the world based on our past experiences. 292 00:16:04,528 --> 00:16:07,792 And I think the only way to get close to objectivity 293 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:10,099 is to realize it doesn't exist. 294 00:16:28,552 --> 00:16:30,467 David: Doesn't look good, Mike. 295 00:16:38,214 --> 00:16:40,216 Ron Guerette: Both at the bottom of the stairs, 296 00:16:40,303 --> 00:16:42,088 both have seven lacerations. 297 00:16:42,175 --> 00:16:43,176 Peterson... 298 00:16:44,264 --> 00:16:45,743 Ratliff. 299 00:16:45,830 --> 00:16:47,528 They look nothing alike. 300 00:16:47,615 --> 00:16:50,052 And they're saying that the brain was clean. 301 00:16:50,139 --> 00:16:52,359 No signs of an aneurysm. 302 00:16:52,446 --> 00:16:53,925 Todd: In what fucking universe 303 00:16:54,013 --> 00:16:55,623 can they assign the same person 304 00:16:55,710 --> 00:16:58,060 that did Kathleen's autopsy to do Liz's? 305 00:16:58,147 --> 00:16:59,627 It's a conflict of interest. 306 00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:04,545 Why didn't you stop this? 307 00:17:04,632 --> 00:17:06,503 You went too hard at her, Dave. 308 00:17:08,462 --> 00:17:09,898 Radisch? 309 00:17:09,985 --> 00:17:11,378 Oh, I'm sorry, 310 00:17:11,465 --> 00:17:13,075 was I supposed to take it easy on her? 311 00:17:22,911 --> 00:17:25,131 What does this mean? 312 00:17:25,218 --> 00:17:27,307 Like, really mean? Like, no spin, no bullshit. 313 00:17:27,394 --> 00:17:28,960 What, what can Hardin do with this? 314 00:17:29,048 --> 00:17:30,571 They're going to call more witnesses. 315 00:17:30,658 --> 00:17:33,443 People from Germany who were there, 316 00:17:33,530 --> 00:17:35,489 - who remember it. - Michael: Remember what? 317 00:17:35,576 --> 00:17:39,667 It was 25 years ago, and nothing happened. 318 00:17:39,754 --> 00:17:42,191 The Germans said there was an aneurysm. 319 00:17:42,278 --> 00:17:43,845 You know, there wasn't even any blood. 320 00:17:43,932 --> 00:17:46,326 Well, there was some blood, Michael. 321 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:52,636 Bill Peterson: So, what's the strategy? 322 00:17:52,723 --> 00:17:56,684 We keep appealing to common sense. 323 00:17:56,771 --> 00:18:00,818 This is a strange coincidence, nothing more. 324 00:18:00,905 --> 00:18:04,692 There is no such thing as a staircase killer 325 00:18:04,779 --> 00:18:06,998 who emerges every 20 years 326 00:18:07,086 --> 00:18:09,392 to hurl his victims down the steps. 327 00:18:09,479 --> 00:18:11,786 Kathleen Peterson: Okay. 328 00:18:11,873 --> 00:18:14,397 - Caitlin, are you going to be the best dancer... - I'm gonna try. 329 00:18:14,484 --> 00:18:16,443 - Margaret Peterson: Yeah. We need help. - Kathleen: I'm getting this. 330 00:18:16,530 --> 00:18:17,835 - I'll show you. - Caitlin Peterson: Okay. 331 00:18:18,662 --> 00:18:19,924 One, two... 332 00:18:20,011 --> 00:18:21,926 - I always-- - No! 333 00:18:22,013 --> 00:18:24,277 We'll try again, we'll try again, we'll try again. 334 00:18:31,806 --> 00:18:33,460 What are you doing here? 335 00:18:33,547 --> 00:18:36,811 Well, so the DA's whole case revolves 336 00:18:36,898 --> 00:18:39,901 around proving that Dad beat Mom... 337 00:18:39,988 --> 00:18:42,382 uh, Kathleen, with the blow poke. 338 00:18:42,469 --> 00:18:44,645 So what I'm doing 339 00:18:44,732 --> 00:18:46,516 is I'm looking through all these videos 340 00:18:46,603 --> 00:18:48,866 to prove that it's been missing for a while. 341 00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:50,868 And has it? 342 00:18:50,955 --> 00:18:52,566 Mostly. It doesn't seem to be there. 343 00:18:54,742 --> 00:18:58,267 Is this project related to the second autopsy finding? 344 00:19:02,053 --> 00:19:03,707 It's... 345 00:19:03,794 --> 00:19:06,145 it's my fault, you know, I could have said no. 346 00:19:07,494 --> 00:19:08,495 Right? 347 00:19:15,241 --> 00:19:17,808 Kathleen: Caitlin. Hi! 348 00:19:17,895 --> 00:19:20,333 - Caitlin: Hello. - All: Merry Christmas. 349 00:19:28,254 --> 00:19:29,646 Kathleen: That's all you're getting. 350 00:19:33,172 --> 00:19:34,521 Margaret: It looks delicious. 351 00:19:34,608 --> 00:19:36,697 Michael: All right... 352 00:19:36,784 --> 00:19:38,177 Merry Christmas. 353 00:19:45,967 --> 00:19:48,056 You didn't remember to pick up my suit, did you? 354 00:19:48,143 --> 00:19:49,536 I have that town hall debate. 355 00:19:50,493 --> 00:19:51,886 It's at the VA. 356 00:19:53,888 --> 00:19:55,150 In your closet. 357 00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:58,153 The plumber is coming to fix the pipes 358 00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:59,372 but we need to do something about the bats 359 00:19:59,459 --> 00:20:00,590 or else it'll happen again. 360 00:20:00,677 --> 00:20:02,288 We will. We will. 361 00:20:03,985 --> 00:20:06,248 - How's the neck? - Oh, much better. 362 00:20:06,335 --> 00:20:07,467 Except when it hurts. 363 00:20:11,601 --> 00:20:13,821 Reporter: ...as he continues to make gains in Afghanistan 364 00:20:13,908 --> 00:20:15,562 with the help of British forces. 365 00:20:15,649 --> 00:20:17,651 Bush continues to assure the world 366 00:20:17,738 --> 00:20:19,566 that this war is a war on terrorism... 367 00:20:19,653 --> 00:20:22,003 - - ...not on Afghanistan itself. 368 00:20:22,090 --> 00:20:24,571 Al Qaeda is to blame... 369 00:20:24,658 --> 00:20:26,268 Kathleen: Oh... 370 00:20:27,617 --> 00:20:29,097 Ohh! 371 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,374 I feel like you're mad at me. 372 00:20:48,377 --> 00:20:51,728 I'm upset, yeah, because you were late. 373 00:20:51,815 --> 00:20:53,904 Well, I'm sorry. I was, um, studying. 374 00:20:53,991 --> 00:20:56,951 I mean late again. You're always late. So... 375 00:20:57,038 --> 00:20:59,780 Alright. Well, I just said I was sorry, so... 376 00:20:59,867 --> 00:21:02,870 Well you're always sorry, but nothing ever seems to change. 377 00:21:04,132 --> 00:21:05,394 Okay. 378 00:21:07,004 --> 00:21:09,398 Um, what's going on here? Where is this coming from? 379 00:21:12,967 --> 00:21:15,186 Not everyone gets a second chance 380 00:21:15,274 --> 00:21:16,797 - in life, Clayton. - Oh, okay. 381 00:21:16,884 --> 00:21:18,538 - But you did. - Yeah. Okay. 382 00:21:18,625 --> 00:21:20,714 And you seem determined to screw it right up. 383 00:21:20,801 --> 00:21:22,585 Look, I did my time, alright? 384 00:21:22,672 --> 00:21:24,674 I don't give a shit about spring break, Clayton! 385 00:21:24,761 --> 00:21:26,676 Jesus. 386 00:21:26,763 --> 00:21:29,244 I'm still pissed about what happened in July. 387 00:21:29,331 --> 00:21:31,072 - Okay? - Wait. For real? 388 00:21:31,159 --> 00:21:32,943 Yeah, for real! 389 00:21:33,030 --> 00:21:34,858 It was a big deal. 390 00:21:34,945 --> 00:21:36,643 And you really don't seem to understand that. 391 00:21:36,730 --> 00:21:38,471 If Becky is completely over it, 392 00:21:38,558 --> 00:21:40,211 why do you get to hold some kind of a grudge about it? 393 00:21:40,299 --> 00:21:41,996 - That's total bullshit! - Okay. Alright. 394 00:21:42,083 --> 00:21:43,606 - You know what? - You're treating me like I'm, 395 00:21:43,693 --> 00:21:44,564 like I'm some kind of a fucking child. 396 00:21:44,651 --> 00:21:45,869 You're right. 397 00:21:45,956 --> 00:21:47,001 You're a totally responsible, 398 00:21:47,088 --> 00:21:48,394 fully formed adult. 399 00:21:48,481 --> 00:21:50,091 So... yeah, 400 00:21:50,178 --> 00:21:52,615 let's just listen to the radio in silence 401 00:21:52,702 --> 00:21:54,530 while I drive you to school. 402 00:21:54,617 --> 00:21:56,140 You know what, Kathleen, you go around acting like 403 00:21:56,227 --> 00:21:58,142 you're so morally superior to everyone. 404 00:21:58,229 --> 00:22:00,623 You've never copped to the fact that you started fucking my dad 405 00:22:00,710 --> 00:22:02,321 when he was still married to my mom. 406 00:22:06,107 --> 00:22:07,238 What, I... 407 00:22:09,066 --> 00:22:10,198 Who told you that? 408 00:22:10,285 --> 00:22:11,765 We all know. 409 00:22:11,852 --> 00:22:13,767 We just don't rub your face in it. 410 00:22:13,854 --> 00:22:15,334 You're a fucking hypocrite. 411 00:22:21,296 --> 00:22:22,776 You mind your temper, Clayton. 412 00:22:24,865 --> 00:22:26,823 Reporter: North Carolina's medical examiner 413 00:22:26,910 --> 00:22:29,739 has released new information on Elizabeth Ratliff. 414 00:22:29,826 --> 00:22:31,741 And in a shocking turn of events, 415 00:22:31,828 --> 00:22:35,745 the autopsy reveals a second staircase murder. 416 00:22:35,832 --> 00:22:38,226 The prosecution announced this morning 417 00:22:38,313 --> 00:22:39,749 they'll be flying in a key witness 418 00:22:39,836 --> 00:22:42,143 from Germany, Agnes Schafer, 419 00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:44,493 nanny to Martha and Margaret, 420 00:22:44,580 --> 00:22:46,974 Ratliff's biological daughters. 421 00:22:47,061 --> 00:22:50,238 Agnes Schafer: I got there at 7:30 in the morning like always. 422 00:22:50,325 --> 00:22:52,849 And it was the first thing I saw, 423 00:22:52,936 --> 00:22:55,286 Liz just lying there like a doll. 424 00:22:56,853 --> 00:22:58,551 Freda: Was there blood? 425 00:22:58,638 --> 00:23:00,683 Oh yes. Everywhere. 426 00:23:00,770 --> 00:23:03,556 The floor. The walls. The stairs. 427 00:23:03,643 --> 00:23:06,167 Freda: Blood everywhere. 428 00:23:06,254 --> 00:23:08,212 What did you do next? 429 00:23:08,299 --> 00:23:10,606 Well, my first concern 430 00:23:10,693 --> 00:23:13,130 was for Martha-Baby and Little Gee-Gee. 431 00:23:13,217 --> 00:23:16,264 I loved these little girls so much. 432 00:23:16,351 --> 00:23:19,223 I... I went upstairs and got them. 433 00:23:19,310 --> 00:23:23,053 - Freda: And then what? - I made sure they were okay. 434 00:23:23,140 --> 00:23:25,229 And then I went to the toilet and vomited. 435 00:23:28,145 --> 00:23:29,451 Ease up. 436 00:23:29,538 --> 00:23:31,279 And after that? 437 00:23:31,366 --> 00:23:33,629 Agnes: I went and got Michael next door. 438 00:23:33,716 --> 00:23:36,197 He came in, took a look around, 439 00:23:36,284 --> 00:23:40,070 and said that Liz had a brain aneurysm 440 00:23:40,157 --> 00:23:43,204 and that she must have fallen down the stairs from that. 441 00:23:43,291 --> 00:23:46,468 And had anyone with any medical authority arrived 442 00:23:46,555 --> 00:23:49,993 who could verify this guess of his? 443 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,432 No. Michael sort of proclaimed it. 444 00:23:53,519 --> 00:23:56,217 And... and then it was true. 445 00:23:56,304 --> 00:23:58,828 That's when I started getting a feeling. 446 00:23:58,915 --> 00:24:00,917 What sort of feeling? 447 00:24:01,004 --> 00:24:02,832 That Michael had done something horrible. 448 00:24:02,919 --> 00:24:05,313 David: Objection. Speculation. 449 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,097 Judge Hudson: Sustained. 450 00:24:07,184 --> 00:24:08,969 Tom Maher: Ms. Schafer, 451 00:24:09,056 --> 00:24:10,710 in your statement to German police, 452 00:24:10,797 --> 00:24:12,973 you never mentioned the blood or the vomit 453 00:24:13,060 --> 00:24:16,629 or any suspicions at all 454 00:24:16,716 --> 00:24:18,892 against Michael Peterson. Why is that? 455 00:24:18,979 --> 00:24:21,024 I'm not sure I understand. 456 00:24:21,111 --> 00:24:22,765 Tom: Well, if you didn't mention anything at the time 457 00:24:22,852 --> 00:24:26,073 and there are no photographs to corroborate, 458 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,944 I'm just wondering how you could be sure 459 00:24:28,031 --> 00:24:29,990 any of this happened at all. 460 00:24:30,077 --> 00:24:31,644 Agnes: Well, that's easy. 461 00:24:31,731 --> 00:24:34,647 When I saw the reports about Kathleen, 462 00:24:34,734 --> 00:24:38,302 Liz's death started coming back to me in flashbacks. 463 00:24:38,389 --> 00:24:40,566 Right, and-- I'm sorry. 464 00:24:40,653 --> 00:24:42,959 You've been having flashbacks? 465 00:24:43,046 --> 00:24:44,483 Yes. 466 00:24:46,093 --> 00:24:48,138 They come in short scenes, they're very vivid. 467 00:24:51,402 --> 00:24:53,100 Um... 468 00:24:53,187 --> 00:24:55,232 Just to be clear, you-you're referring 469 00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:58,714 to these mental images as... flashbacks 470 00:24:58,801 --> 00:25:01,108 and not actual memories. 471 00:25:01,195 --> 00:25:02,370 Yes. 472 00:25:02,457 --> 00:25:04,154 Tom: Hmm. Isn't it also true 473 00:25:04,241 --> 00:25:05,765 that you remained employed 474 00:25:05,852 --> 00:25:08,637 by Michael Peterson for the period of a year 475 00:25:08,724 --> 00:25:11,292 following the event? 476 00:25:11,379 --> 00:25:13,512 Isn't that a questionable thing to do if you thought he was a murderer? 477 00:25:13,599 --> 00:25:15,557 But that's why I did it. 478 00:25:15,644 --> 00:25:17,037 I wanted to keep an eye on them. 479 00:25:17,124 --> 00:25:20,997 Michael was very strict with the boys. 480 00:25:21,084 --> 00:25:23,652 - Tom: Alright, well, let's stay on topic. - Agnes: I am. 481 00:25:23,739 --> 00:25:26,437 I stayed because I didn't want the same for the girls. 482 00:25:26,525 --> 00:25:28,831 - David: Objection, Your Honor. - I failed. 483 00:25:28,918 --> 00:25:30,920 I should have protected you, Martha-Baby. 484 00:25:31,007 --> 00:25:32,531 I should have protected you from him. 485 00:25:32,618 --> 00:25:33,619 David: Your Honor, move to strike. 486 00:25:35,403 --> 00:25:37,492 David: Get to the car. 487 00:25:40,234 --> 00:25:42,671 Mr. Peterson, did you beat your baby daughter in Germany? 488 00:25:42,758 --> 00:25:45,282 Mr. Peterson, just one question. Tell us... 489 00:25:47,546 --> 00:25:49,330 - Martha! - Jesus Christ, Martha. 490 00:25:51,854 --> 00:25:53,160 Margaret: Martha. 491 00:25:53,247 --> 00:25:56,816 Hey. Are you okay? 492 00:25:56,903 --> 00:25:59,079 - Todd: Come on! What the fuck, Martha! - Margaret: Martha. 493 00:25:59,166 --> 00:26:00,689 Martha. Martha, knock it off. Todd! 494 00:26:00,776 --> 00:26:02,125 Todd: I'm trying, okay. 495 00:26:02,212 --> 00:26:04,345 Open the door, dammit. 496 00:26:04,432 --> 00:26:05,738 - What was Agnes talking about? - Todd: Open up! 497 00:26:05,825 --> 00:26:06,956 What was she going to say? 498 00:26:07,043 --> 00:26:08,784 Michael: How do I know? 499 00:26:08,871 --> 00:26:10,481 She's a broken woman who wants her 15 minutes. 500 00:26:10,569 --> 00:26:12,788 She told me the truth. She said that she loved us. 501 00:26:12,875 --> 00:26:15,051 For Christ's sake. Now is not the time. 502 00:26:15,138 --> 00:26:16,487 Martha! 503 00:26:16,575 --> 00:26:18,272 Just answer the question. Please. 504 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:19,665 I'm telling you, she's full of crap. 505 00:26:19,752 --> 00:26:21,536 Then why do I feel like this? 506 00:26:21,623 --> 00:26:22,581 Reporter: Michael! 507 00:26:24,931 --> 00:26:26,280 - Todd: Martha. - Because they want you to. 508 00:26:26,367 --> 00:26:28,848 Now open the goddamn door. 509 00:26:28,935 --> 00:26:30,371 Margaret: Martha. 510 00:26:30,458 --> 00:26:31,894 - Reporter: Michael! - Todd: Dad. 511 00:26:31,981 --> 00:26:33,853 - Only one question. - Michael: Now! 512 00:26:33,940 --> 00:26:35,158 Reporter: Mr. Peterson. Mr. Peterson, one question. 513 00:26:35,245 --> 00:26:36,682 Mr. Peterson. 514 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,207 Mr. Peterson, one question. 515 00:26:40,294 --> 00:26:41,643 Todd: Damn it, Martha! 516 00:26:46,387 --> 00:26:48,084 Michael: Come on. Hurry, Todd. 517 00:26:48,171 --> 00:26:49,259 Reporter: Mr. Peterson! 518 00:26:52,045 --> 00:26:54,482 Sophie: Now about subjectivity, 519 00:26:54,569 --> 00:26:59,618 how can we relate to stories that threaten our own? 520 00:26:59,705 --> 00:27:02,882 Some of us go toward the threat. 521 00:27:02,969 --> 00:27:05,362 We search and question and dig. 522 00:27:10,150 --> 00:27:13,240 And some of us rationalize. 523 00:27:15,416 --> 00:27:18,288 Try to force the stories to fit together. 524 00:27:31,737 --> 00:27:33,303 Some of us simply don't engage 525 00:27:33,390 --> 00:27:36,524 and bury the thread deep inside. 526 00:27:40,354 --> 00:27:41,660 And some of us... 527 00:27:43,139 --> 00:27:45,272 seem not to be threatened at all. 528 00:27:51,017 --> 00:27:56,283 So we open Mike's defense with the jury walk-through. 529 00:27:56,370 --> 00:28:01,157 Now this provides the context for all the experts, 530 00:28:01,244 --> 00:28:02,550 all the science, 531 00:28:02,637 --> 00:28:05,553 and says we, the defense, 532 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,511 are going to invite them in. 533 00:28:07,598 --> 00:28:09,122 Why wouldn't we? Alright. 534 00:28:09,209 --> 00:28:12,081 The staircase is an open book, 535 00:28:12,168 --> 00:28:13,561 and so are we 536 00:28:13,648 --> 00:28:17,217 because we have nothing to hide. 537 00:28:17,304 --> 00:28:19,045 David, I'm not sure it's a good idea. 538 00:28:19,132 --> 00:28:22,352 Hey, look who I found creeping outside. 539 00:28:22,439 --> 00:28:24,615 - Margaret: Oh my god! - How you doing, Clay? 540 00:28:24,703 --> 00:28:26,574 Patty: Clay. 541 00:28:26,661 --> 00:28:28,576 - Martha: Clay! - Oh, hey. 542 00:28:28,663 --> 00:28:30,447 Hey, guys. Hey, Mom. 543 00:28:34,190 --> 00:28:35,626 Hey, Clay. What's up, man? 544 00:28:35,714 --> 00:28:38,325 Uh, yeah, nothing much. I just, uh... 545 00:28:38,412 --> 00:28:40,675 How-how long are you in town for? 546 00:28:40,762 --> 00:28:42,198 Uh, I took a couple weeks off. 547 00:28:42,285 --> 00:28:44,418 I thought maybe I could get the Trans-Am 548 00:28:44,505 --> 00:28:45,680 up and running again. 549 00:28:48,639 --> 00:28:50,729 I wanted to help, so I came home. 550 00:28:54,297 --> 00:28:55,516 I hope that's okay? 551 00:29:00,782 --> 00:29:02,131 I'm glad you're here. 552 00:29:04,481 --> 00:29:06,440 - Your Honor, how are you? - Great. Great. 553 00:29:06,527 --> 00:29:09,704 - Are we ready to bring in the jurors? - Jim: I believe we are. 554 00:29:11,706 --> 00:29:13,882 Judge Hudson: Darren, please bring in the jurors. 555 00:29:13,969 --> 00:29:15,797 Alright, let's go, people. 556 00:29:22,456 --> 00:29:23,544 Here you go. 557 00:29:31,595 --> 00:29:34,120 Jean: What would you say is a storyteller's job? 558 00:29:36,949 --> 00:29:38,341 Hmm. 559 00:29:38,428 --> 00:29:39,212 Sophie: What do you mean? 560 00:29:39,299 --> 00:29:41,301 This way. 561 00:29:41,388 --> 00:29:42,955 Jean: I mean, should he present the truth 562 00:29:44,086 --> 00:29:45,131 as he sees it? 563 00:29:47,220 --> 00:29:49,439 Or is persuasion also part of his job? 564 00:29:51,572 --> 00:29:54,183 Sophie: Maybe she can do both. 565 00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:55,924 But, you know, in my experience, 566 00:29:56,011 --> 00:29:57,447 people don't like to be persuaded. 567 00:30:02,322 --> 00:30:05,716 So the storyteller must accept that she can control 568 00:30:05,804 --> 00:30:07,936 what the story says 569 00:30:08,023 --> 00:30:10,504 but not how it is read. 570 00:30:27,651 --> 00:30:29,566 Sophie: You can only show what looks to you 571 00:30:29,653 --> 00:30:30,829 like the truth... 572 00:30:32,787 --> 00:30:36,182 knowing that it may look to someone else like a lie. 573 00:30:38,488 --> 00:30:41,448 I swung my weapon at you. 574 00:30:41,535 --> 00:30:44,973 And here you can see the cast-off pattern. 575 00:30:45,887 --> 00:30:47,454 We found no cast-off 576 00:30:47,541 --> 00:30:49,108 in the staircase at the Peterson house. 577 00:30:50,152 --> 00:30:52,459 And what do you make 578 00:30:52,546 --> 00:30:55,505 of the blood spatter 579 00:30:55,592 --> 00:30:59,118 that you did find, Dr. Lee? 580 00:30:59,205 --> 00:31:03,078 Dr. Henry Lee: That it is plentiful and chaotic, 581 00:31:03,165 --> 00:31:06,821 like someone coughing, shaking her head, 582 00:31:06,908 --> 00:31:08,954 moving around. 583 00:31:09,041 --> 00:31:11,957 Not an organized attack. 584 00:31:12,044 --> 00:31:13,610 Todd: Hey, Rain Man. 585 00:31:13,697 --> 00:31:15,177 David: So in your opinion, Dr. Lee... 586 00:31:15,264 --> 00:31:16,700 - Knock it off. - David: ...would you say 587 00:31:16,787 --> 00:31:20,487 Kathleen's death was an accident? 588 00:31:20,574 --> 00:31:22,663 In my opinion, yes. 589 00:31:22,750 --> 00:31:26,449 The scene is more consistent with a fall. 590 00:31:26,536 --> 00:31:29,539 There was simply way too much blood for beating. 591 00:31:29,626 --> 00:31:31,890 I mean... 592 00:31:33,456 --> 00:31:36,938 Jim: You oppose SBI agent Duane Deaver's findings? 593 00:31:37,025 --> 00:31:40,420 But didn't you recently complement his skills 594 00:31:40,507 --> 00:31:42,248 as a blood spatter analyst? 595 00:31:42,335 --> 00:31:43,553 I don't recall. 596 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,599 Okay. 597 00:31:45,686 --> 00:31:48,819 Do you recall giving him a copy of your book? 598 00:31:49,733 --> 00:31:50,909 Dr. Lee: Oh yes. 599 00:31:50,996 --> 00:31:52,214 May I approach, Your Honor? 600 00:31:52,301 --> 00:31:54,173 - You may. - Thank you. 601 00:32:00,179 --> 00:32:02,224 Please read this inscription right here. 602 00:32:05,097 --> 00:32:09,275 "To Agent Deaver, one of the best. 603 00:32:09,362 --> 00:32:12,713 Keep up the good work. Sincerely, Dr. Henry Lee." 604 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,367 Jim: Thank you. 605 00:32:20,242 --> 00:32:22,679 You wouldn't write that if you didn't feel that way, would you? 606 00:32:22,766 --> 00:32:23,811 Well... 607 00:32:25,247 --> 00:32:27,249 I give everyone courtesy. 608 00:32:27,336 --> 00:32:29,556 That's Chinese culture. 609 00:32:29,643 --> 00:32:32,602 Uh, what was I supposed to write, 610 00:32:32,689 --> 00:32:34,909 "Dear Duane. Don't quit your day job"? 611 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,268 Dr. Lee, 612 00:32:46,355 --> 00:32:49,184 you can't definitively rule out a beating 613 00:32:49,271 --> 00:32:52,144 in the death of Kathleen Peterson, can you? 614 00:32:52,231 --> 00:32:53,710 No. 615 00:32:53,797 --> 00:32:55,974 But no one can. 616 00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:00,282 Jim: Thank you. That's all. 617 00:33:05,896 --> 00:33:07,594 Howard Clement: It's an outrage. 618 00:33:07,681 --> 00:33:09,639 Pure and simple. 619 00:33:09,726 --> 00:33:10,989 So I think we take some funds, 620 00:33:11,076 --> 00:33:13,513 form an exploratory committee, 621 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,384 and see if we can find out 622 00:33:15,471 --> 00:33:17,604 what went wrong. 623 00:33:17,691 --> 00:33:20,346 Michael: See, that's exactly the sort of answer 624 00:33:20,433 --> 00:33:22,043 I want to change. 625 00:33:22,130 --> 00:33:25,612 Maybe discussing potentially evaluating 626 00:33:25,699 --> 00:33:27,309 actually doing something. 627 00:33:27,396 --> 00:33:30,312 - Now-- - I want to talk about the lie. 628 00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:32,749 Uh, sir, you need to submit questions. 629 00:33:32,836 --> 00:33:35,926 You said you received a Purple Heart in Vietnam. 630 00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:37,363 - Sir... - Now, now, hold on a minute. 631 00:33:37,450 --> 00:33:38,929 Man: That's a sacred thing. 632 00:33:39,017 --> 00:33:41,236 And you know what? You didn't. 633 00:33:41,323 --> 00:33:43,760 - Sir, if you can just take a seat? - Can I be heard? 634 00:33:43,847 --> 00:33:46,763 Man: That's not something you make a mistake about. 635 00:33:46,850 --> 00:33:48,243 - No, sir. - Moderator: If you would like to submit a question-- 636 00:33:48,330 --> 00:33:51,333 You lied! He lied! He lied! 637 00:33:51,420 --> 00:33:53,161 Moderator: If you could just calm down, please, sir? 638 00:34:15,357 --> 00:34:18,317 David: And to top it all off, 639 00:34:18,404 --> 00:34:20,754 we have an imaginary murder weapon. 640 00:34:20,841 --> 00:34:24,236 So, uh, at the risk of tempting fate, 641 00:34:24,323 --> 00:34:27,500 I think Tom would agree that we are about ready to close. 642 00:34:27,587 --> 00:34:29,763 - Yes? - I want to testify. 643 00:34:37,118 --> 00:34:40,469 Look, Mike, uh, we've been over this. 644 00:34:40,556 --> 00:34:42,950 No. They, they don't know me. 645 00:34:43,037 --> 00:34:44,691 Who doesn't know you, Mike? 646 00:34:44,778 --> 00:34:46,519 Michael: No, the jury. 647 00:34:46,606 --> 00:34:48,782 Now, it's, it's my life on the line here. 648 00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:51,959 And I want to tell my story. 649 00:34:52,046 --> 00:34:54,266 You know, tell them how much I loved Kathleen. 650 00:34:54,353 --> 00:34:56,442 You know, I deserve to be heard here, don't I? 651 00:34:56,529 --> 00:34:58,226 - Yeah. Dad's right. - Clayton. 652 00:34:58,313 --> 00:34:59,532 - No, he deserves to talk. - Come on. Come on. 653 00:34:59,619 --> 00:35:02,100 - He's the one on trial. - Listen! 654 00:35:02,187 --> 00:35:04,928 Listen. I hear what you're saying, Mike. 655 00:35:05,015 --> 00:35:06,539 I do. 656 00:35:06,626 --> 00:35:08,671 I-- just listen to me for a second. 657 00:35:08,758 --> 00:35:12,632 I know how nerves can flare up at the eleventh hour. 658 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,983 But we cannot let them take the wheel. 659 00:35:17,637 --> 00:35:20,683 Your case is strong. We just have to stay calm. 660 00:35:20,770 --> 00:35:22,163 See it through to the end. 661 00:35:34,306 --> 00:35:36,873 Clayton: Come on, motherfucker! 662 00:35:47,188 --> 00:35:48,189 Come on! 663 00:35:50,365 --> 00:35:52,889 Yes! 664 00:35:59,853 --> 00:36:01,115 Fuck me! 665 00:36:13,475 --> 00:36:14,824 I found it. I found it. 666 00:36:14,911 --> 00:36:16,130 I found it. I found it. I found it. 667 00:36:18,654 --> 00:36:20,047 I found it! 668 00:36:21,831 --> 00:36:24,878 I found the fucking blow poke! 669 00:36:24,965 --> 00:36:26,445 Todd: Clayton, don't fuck with us right now. 670 00:36:26,532 --> 00:36:28,098 - Seriously, don't fuck with us. - I am "us." 671 00:36:28,186 --> 00:36:29,752 Why would I fuck with us? 672 00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:31,972 I found it right there just like that. 673 00:36:32,059 --> 00:36:34,366 You found it right there because you fucking planted it right there. 674 00:36:34,453 --> 00:36:36,019 What? I didn't plant it! 675 00:36:36,106 --> 00:36:37,586 Jesus! What the fuck is wrong with you? 676 00:36:37,673 --> 00:36:39,022 This is a good thing. 677 00:36:40,937 --> 00:36:42,504 It's not like there's blood on it. 678 00:36:44,245 --> 00:36:46,247 Of course, there's no fucking blood on it. 679 00:36:47,553 --> 00:36:49,903 You know what? This is so classic you. 680 00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:51,470 You come home out of nowhere and you come and you fuck up our shit. 681 00:36:51,557 --> 00:36:53,472 Would you both just shut up! 682 00:36:54,821 --> 00:36:55,865 Just shut up. 683 00:36:59,913 --> 00:37:02,611 I mean, I don't believe it. 684 00:37:02,698 --> 00:37:05,223 How many times did they search this place? 685 00:37:09,314 --> 00:37:10,532 I should call Dave, right? 686 00:37:15,581 --> 00:37:16,712 Dad? 687 00:37:21,543 --> 00:37:23,153 She must have put it there. 688 00:37:25,634 --> 00:37:27,984 David: Look, Mike, the thing's intact. 689 00:37:28,071 --> 00:37:29,421 There's no blood. 690 00:37:30,770 --> 00:37:32,250 This could be good, 691 00:37:32,337 --> 00:37:33,860 provided you're telling the truth. 692 00:37:33,947 --> 00:37:35,514 Well, of course, I am. Jesus! 693 00:37:35,601 --> 00:37:38,952 Alright, so we hold all the cards here, right? 694 00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:40,693 This works for us. 695 00:37:40,780 --> 00:37:43,522 The DA says the blow poke's the murder weapon. 696 00:37:43,609 --> 00:37:45,219 We prove him wrong. It's right here. 697 00:37:45,306 --> 00:37:47,090 It's fucking clean. 698 00:37:47,177 --> 00:37:48,657 What else are they wrong about? 699 00:37:49,354 --> 00:37:51,791 Right? 700 00:37:51,878 --> 00:37:53,445 Tom: Now, if you can answer these next ones 701 00:37:53,532 --> 00:37:55,490 just as truthfully as you can. 702 00:37:55,577 --> 00:37:57,666 Alright? Because if we put you on the stand 703 00:37:57,753 --> 00:37:59,581 to say how you found the blow poke, 704 00:37:59,668 --> 00:38:03,281 Hardin will zero in on any uncertainty, 705 00:38:03,368 --> 00:38:05,326 any, um, evasion. 706 00:38:05,413 --> 00:38:07,285 Right. Of course. You got it. 707 00:38:07,372 --> 00:38:08,721 Okay. 708 00:38:09,461 --> 00:38:10,679 Alright. 709 00:38:10,766 --> 00:38:13,378 So I understand you have a DUI 710 00:38:13,465 --> 00:38:14,683 on your record, is that right? 711 00:38:16,032 --> 00:38:18,078 Two DUIs? 712 00:38:18,165 --> 00:38:21,560 Good. Uh, always be honest. Don't let him catch you lying. 713 00:38:21,647 --> 00:38:23,257 Alright. 714 00:38:23,344 --> 00:38:27,522 Uh, April 1994, you were a sophomore in college. 715 00:38:27,609 --> 00:38:30,830 Got in a little trouble, is that right? 716 00:38:30,917 --> 00:38:33,049 Yep. Went on spring break. 717 00:38:33,136 --> 00:38:35,313 Tom: Right. 718 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,141 And, uh, how much prison time ultimately 719 00:38:38,228 --> 00:38:40,230 did you end up spending for planting 720 00:38:40,318 --> 00:38:42,320 those pipe bombs in Duke? 721 00:38:44,713 --> 00:38:46,280 Well, they didn't go off. 722 00:38:46,367 --> 00:38:47,499 To be fair, they weren't designed to. 723 00:38:47,586 --> 00:38:49,196 They were just like a diversion 724 00:38:49,283 --> 00:38:51,154 so I could get to the laminating machine. 725 00:38:51,241 --> 00:38:52,373 Wait, the laminating machine? 726 00:38:52,460 --> 00:38:54,680 - Here we go. - Yeah. 727 00:38:54,767 --> 00:38:56,508 To make fake IDs 728 00:38:56,595 --> 00:38:59,162 to get beers for me and my buddies. 729 00:38:59,249 --> 00:39:02,775 But it was... uh, four years. 730 00:39:02,862 --> 00:39:05,212 All told, four years in Fed for the bombs. 731 00:39:05,299 --> 00:39:07,823 It wouldn't have been that long except they found more here in my room. 732 00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:10,304 Tom: More bombs? 733 00:39:12,001 --> 00:39:14,264 Do, do we really need an audience? 734 00:39:14,352 --> 00:39:16,092 Tom: Uh, well, you're going to have one in court. 735 00:39:16,179 --> 00:39:18,965 My son is finishing his second master's in May. 736 00:39:19,052 --> 00:39:21,359 Computer engineering. 737 00:39:21,446 --> 00:39:23,622 That's great. Turning over a new leaf. 738 00:39:25,058 --> 00:39:27,930 But, um, while we are still on the old one, 739 00:39:29,410 --> 00:39:33,109 I need to ask you about July 4th, 2001. 740 00:39:33,196 --> 00:39:36,025 Oh yeah. I, I was drunk, I guess. 741 00:39:36,112 --> 00:39:39,072 And me and Becky had a fight. She called the cops. 742 00:39:41,161 --> 00:39:42,423 Because? 743 00:39:45,295 --> 00:39:46,688 You hit her, correct? 744 00:39:49,952 --> 00:39:52,259 We had a fight, and I shoved her once. 745 00:39:52,346 --> 00:39:55,088 Not hit. She called the cops, but she forgave me. 746 00:39:55,175 --> 00:39:56,742 - We're, we're engaged now. - Todd: H-h-hang on. 747 00:39:56,829 --> 00:39:59,005 Tom, h-how can they even bring that in? 748 00:40:00,702 --> 00:40:04,489 Uh, look, they get a whiff of domestic violence, 749 00:40:04,576 --> 00:40:07,622 this could be a real issue for us, 750 00:40:07,709 --> 00:40:09,972 given what Agnes has alleged. 751 00:40:10,059 --> 00:40:12,322 Victims often become the abusers. 752 00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:15,761 Right? They'll ask, did your father ever hit you? 753 00:40:15,848 --> 00:40:18,198 - What? - Ever hit Kathleen? 754 00:40:18,285 --> 00:40:20,809 Clayton: No, my dad never hit anyone. I would have seen. 755 00:40:20,896 --> 00:40:22,507 Okay, but maybe there are things that happened 756 00:40:22,594 --> 00:40:23,769 in this house that you don't know about. 757 00:40:27,337 --> 00:40:30,123 You're aware that the state has pornographic photos 758 00:40:30,210 --> 00:40:32,995 and videos from your dad's computer. 759 00:40:33,082 --> 00:40:35,998 Did you know anything about that prior to the trial? 760 00:40:36,085 --> 00:40:39,567 Uh, about any of what? Can you be more specific? 761 00:40:39,654 --> 00:40:41,308 Tom: Uh, his sexuality. 762 00:40:41,395 --> 00:40:42,744 Clayton: Oh, well... 763 00:40:44,572 --> 00:40:46,966 he's a pretty sexual person. 764 00:40:47,053 --> 00:40:48,924 I was always jealous of him and Kathleen's sex life. 765 00:40:49,011 --> 00:40:50,273 Ew! Oh my God. 766 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:51,840 Jesus Christ, Clayton. 767 00:40:51,927 --> 00:40:53,625 What, Todd? Nothing but the truth. 768 00:40:53,712 --> 00:40:55,931 Okay. R-right. Uh, specifically, 769 00:40:56,018 --> 00:40:57,977 were you aware of his interest in men? 770 00:41:01,937 --> 00:41:03,548 I-I mean, we never talked about it. 771 00:41:05,898 --> 00:41:09,597 Because a son's role is not to question his father, right? 772 00:41:09,684 --> 00:41:11,425 But I walked in on him jacking off once 773 00:41:11,512 --> 00:41:14,689 to something kind of gay. 774 00:41:14,776 --> 00:41:17,649 - Patty Peterson: What? - Petersons are fucking crazy. 775 00:41:17,736 --> 00:41:19,302 What do you mean, the Petersons? 776 00:41:19,389 --> 00:41:21,130 I mean, you and Todd and Dad. 777 00:41:21,217 --> 00:41:23,089 Like, why can't you guys just be normal? 778 00:41:23,176 --> 00:41:25,004 Margie, can you keep your little sister in check? 779 00:41:25,091 --> 00:41:27,659 No, she's right. I'm sick of defending you guys, too. 780 00:41:27,746 --> 00:41:30,792 Oh, really? Really. You're going to say that in front of our mother? 781 00:41:30,879 --> 00:41:32,664 Our mother, that took you in off the street. 782 00:41:32,751 --> 00:41:34,579 Margaret: Well, all you do is hit her up for money. 783 00:41:34,666 --> 00:41:36,102 You guys make everything worse. 784 00:41:36,189 --> 00:41:38,452 You rack up debt. You embarrass us. 785 00:41:38,539 --> 00:41:40,410 - I mean, how are we supposed to-- - Hey! 786 00:41:42,238 --> 00:41:44,197 I run a successful website. 787 00:41:44,284 --> 00:41:46,982 You sound like a psychopath! 788 00:41:53,032 --> 00:41:54,642 I beg your pardon, Michael. 789 00:41:56,601 --> 00:41:58,428 It's the children. 790 00:41:58,516 --> 00:42:00,430 You'd be in some fucked-up German brothel right now, okay? 791 00:42:03,564 --> 00:42:05,479 - Michael: Hey! - I said, be quiet! 792 00:42:05,566 --> 00:42:07,655 That's enough! 793 00:42:12,921 --> 00:42:14,183 Clay's not testifying. 794 00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:16,751 - But, Dad-- - Forget it! 795 00:42:16,838 --> 00:42:20,842 If anyone is going to testify about this fucking blow poke, 796 00:42:20,929 --> 00:42:24,411 it's going to be me! And I am going to testify. 797 00:42:24,498 --> 00:42:27,196 For the good of my case, for the good of this family. 798 00:42:27,283 --> 00:42:29,285 And before we all fucking kill each other. 799 00:42:41,384 --> 00:42:43,386 Should have just stayed in Baltimore. 800 00:42:51,699 --> 00:42:54,223 No use trying, David. My mind's made up. 801 00:42:54,310 --> 00:42:56,008 David: Uh-huh. 802 00:42:56,095 --> 00:42:58,053 Well, maybe you're right. 803 00:42:58,140 --> 00:42:59,751 Can we talk it through? 804 00:43:00,795 --> 00:43:04,407 They are going to ask you 805 00:43:04,494 --> 00:43:07,454 about the Purple Heart 806 00:43:07,541 --> 00:43:09,935 to establish a pattern of lying. 807 00:43:10,022 --> 00:43:12,067 Well, I... 808 00:43:12,154 --> 00:43:14,069 it's true, I lied about that. 809 00:43:14,156 --> 00:43:16,942 About being injured in Vietnam. 810 00:43:17,029 --> 00:43:21,337 And you told everyone, including Kathleen, 811 00:43:21,424 --> 00:43:24,863 that for your bravery, you earned a Purple Heart? 812 00:43:26,865 --> 00:43:28,649 Why, Mike? 813 00:43:28,736 --> 00:43:29,737 Because... 814 00:43:31,565 --> 00:43:32,827 I was injured, 815 00:43:33,915 --> 00:43:35,003 just not in the war. 816 00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:38,050 It was afterward. 817 00:43:38,137 --> 00:43:40,356 A car accident when I was stationed in Japan. 818 00:43:41,488 --> 00:43:43,969 But I do have a Silver Star. 819 00:43:44,056 --> 00:43:46,232 And a Bronze Star, with valor, 820 00:43:46,319 --> 00:43:49,322 because... once... 821 00:43:51,237 --> 00:43:54,240 a marine in my command was blown up by a grenade. 822 00:44:00,115 --> 00:44:01,203 Here. 823 00:44:02,509 --> 00:44:03,597 John Cuddy. 824 00:44:08,863 --> 00:44:11,126 We were close. 825 00:44:11,213 --> 00:44:13,607 I dragged his mutilated body back to the foxhole. 826 00:44:19,091 --> 00:44:20,309 He died in my arms. 827 00:44:22,442 --> 00:44:23,661 So did Kathleen. 828 00:44:29,231 --> 00:44:31,451 You learn CPR in the military, don't you? 829 00:44:32,321 --> 00:44:34,149 Yes. 830 00:44:34,236 --> 00:44:36,325 Well, when you first called 911... 831 00:44:37,805 --> 00:44:41,287 you said Kathleen was still breathing. 832 00:44:42,854 --> 00:44:45,247 Then you called back 833 00:44:45,334 --> 00:44:46,901 a couple minutes later, said she wasn't. 834 00:44:46,988 --> 00:44:49,512 In between, did you perform CPR? 835 00:44:50,078 --> 00:44:51,036 No. 836 00:44:52,298 --> 00:44:54,169 - No. I was in shock. - Shock? 837 00:44:56,302 --> 00:44:58,086 Vietnam vet. 838 00:44:58,173 --> 00:44:59,697 Bunch of different colored stars 839 00:44:59,784 --> 00:45:02,961 and obviously saw combat. 840 00:45:03,048 --> 00:45:04,702 You went into shock? 841 00:45:07,008 --> 00:45:09,968 It wasn't like war. It wasn't like anything. 842 00:45:10,708 --> 00:45:12,318 It was just, 843 00:45:12,405 --> 00:45:13,449 just her... 844 00:45:15,103 --> 00:45:16,322 in pain... 845 00:45:18,977 --> 00:45:19,978 leaving me... 846 00:45:22,545 --> 00:45:23,851 and me begging her not to go 847 00:45:23,938 --> 00:45:26,419 and... she wouldn't listen. 848 00:45:29,117 --> 00:45:30,597 It was the worst moment of my life. 849 00:45:32,991 --> 00:45:34,383 I believe you, Mike. 850 00:45:35,863 --> 00:45:38,692 But how does a jury know 851 00:45:38,779 --> 00:45:41,260 it's not just another Purple Heart? 852 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:45,960 Not just another lie. 853 00:45:47,919 --> 00:45:49,529 I want to leave it up to you, I do. 854 00:45:49,616 --> 00:45:50,965 I mean, it's your life. 855 00:45:51,052 --> 00:45:53,359 But I can get the blow poke in 856 00:45:53,446 --> 00:45:55,448 without putting you or Clay on the stand, 857 00:45:55,535 --> 00:45:57,711 and your case won't suffer for it. 858 00:45:57,798 --> 00:45:59,713 But if I don't tell them... 859 00:46:01,584 --> 00:46:02,977 how will they know? 860 00:46:11,986 --> 00:46:13,422 Let me know what you decide. 861 00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:24,782 Dad. 862 00:46:26,740 --> 00:46:28,046 It's fine, Clay. 863 00:46:37,098 --> 00:46:38,796 Reporter: A coup for the defense today 864 00:46:38,883 --> 00:46:40,667 at the tail end of the Peterson trial 865 00:46:40,754 --> 00:46:43,365 as the alleged murder weapon has surfaced. 866 00:46:43,452 --> 00:46:45,063 Rudolf has produced 867 00:46:45,150 --> 00:46:47,152 the so-called missing blow poke, 868 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,371 arguing that Durham PD did not search 869 00:46:49,458 --> 00:46:51,112 thoroughly enough for it 870 00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:52,592 and failed to ever ask the defense 871 00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:54,202 whether it had been found. 872 00:46:54,289 --> 00:46:55,943 Alright. Does this appear to be the blow poke 873 00:46:56,030 --> 00:47:00,469 that Mr. Hardin mentioned in his opening statement 874 00:47:00,556 --> 00:47:03,124 as being mysteriously missing? 875 00:47:05,344 --> 00:47:07,737 Yes, it does. 876 00:47:07,825 --> 00:47:10,088 Thank you. No further questions, Your Honor. 877 00:47:12,133 --> 00:47:13,569 Judge Hudson: You may be dismissed. 878 00:47:14,832 --> 00:47:16,616 Alright. 879 00:47:16,703 --> 00:47:19,053 Does that witness conclude your case, Mr. Rudolf? 880 00:47:36,244 --> 00:47:37,767 Yes, it does, Your Honor. 881 00:47:38,812 --> 00:47:40,248 The defense rests. 882 00:47:48,517 --> 00:47:51,303 Though it's not yet clear whether this ninth-inning discovery 883 00:47:51,390 --> 00:47:53,958 has given the jury more questions or answers, 884 00:47:54,045 --> 00:47:55,742 it certainly has changed the game. 885 00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:57,352 Sneaky shits. 886 00:47:57,439 --> 00:47:59,311 Ultimately, um, 887 00:47:59,398 --> 00:48:01,574 you know what, it doesn't change the autopsy. 888 00:48:01,661 --> 00:48:03,489 My mother was beaten to death, whether it be with a blow poke 889 00:48:03,576 --> 00:48:04,577 or something else, and Michael Peterson did it. 890 00:48:04,664 --> 00:48:06,709 Amen, sweetheart. 891 00:48:06,796 --> 00:48:07,972 Reporter: Caitlin Peterson, where was the weapon found? 892 00:48:09,974 --> 00:48:11,540 Freda: Okay. How does this bit sound? 893 00:48:11,627 --> 00:48:14,456 Do you really think Kathleen knew 894 00:48:14,543 --> 00:48:16,415 Michael was bisexual? 895 00:48:18,417 --> 00:48:21,594 Does that make common sense to you? 896 00:48:21,681 --> 00:48:24,292 Do you think it was okay with her 897 00:48:24,379 --> 00:48:27,208 that he was writing those emails to Brad? 898 00:48:27,295 --> 00:48:28,949 I'm not even going to mention 899 00:48:29,036 --> 00:48:30,951 the rest of what we found on his computer 900 00:48:31,038 --> 00:48:32,953 because it is obscene. 901 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,955 I-I'm sorry. Obscene? 902 00:48:35,913 --> 00:48:37,958 Obscene. 903 00:48:38,045 --> 00:48:40,439 Is that the best we got for this guy? 904 00:48:40,526 --> 00:48:43,398 No, he beat his wife like a dog! 905 00:48:43,485 --> 00:48:45,183 I want to nail his ass to the wall. 906 00:48:58,718 --> 00:49:00,372 Freda: Not to mention 907 00:49:00,459 --> 00:49:04,071 the rest of what we found 908 00:49:04,158 --> 00:49:06,291 on Mr. Peterson's computer, 909 00:49:07,205 --> 00:49:09,033 because it is filth. 910 00:49:13,733 --> 00:49:17,041 Pure-T... filth. 911 00:49:28,704 --> 00:49:31,751 This is hardcore porn. 912 00:49:36,538 --> 00:49:39,063 This ain't people involved in relationships. 913 00:49:39,150 --> 00:49:42,022 This is just any-which-way. 914 00:49:42,109 --> 00:49:46,679 And it is not how so-called soul mates... 915 00:49:46,766 --> 00:49:48,942 conduct themselves. 916 00:49:49,029 --> 00:49:51,162 David: Your job is not to decide 917 00:49:51,249 --> 00:49:53,251 whether Michael is innocent. 918 00:49:53,338 --> 00:49:55,470 Your job is to decide 919 00:49:55,557 --> 00:49:57,342 whether the prosecution 920 00:49:57,429 --> 00:50:01,389 has sufficiently proven guilt. 921 00:50:02,434 --> 00:50:04,871 Which they have not. 922 00:50:04,958 --> 00:50:08,483 Their case is riddled with holes, 923 00:50:08,570 --> 00:50:11,269 unanswered questions, 924 00:50:11,356 --> 00:50:14,663 doubt after reasonable doubt. 925 00:50:23,324 --> 00:50:25,283 The missing murder weapon 926 00:50:25,370 --> 00:50:27,111 isn't missing. 927 00:50:28,286 --> 00:50:30,984 And it was never used... 928 00:50:31,811 --> 00:50:33,160 in a murder. 929 00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:37,904 There is no credible motive. 930 00:50:37,991 --> 00:50:42,691 And you don't just decide to kill your wife for no reason. 931 00:50:42,778 --> 00:50:45,477 Jim: I think about that old expression, 932 00:50:45,564 --> 00:50:47,522 what if these walls could talk? 933 00:50:47,609 --> 00:50:48,828 Ladies and gentlemen, 934 00:50:48,915 --> 00:50:50,482 the people contend to you 935 00:50:50,569 --> 00:50:52,397 that these walls are talking. 936 00:50:52,484 --> 00:50:55,443 Kathleen Peterson 937 00:50:55,530 --> 00:50:58,359 is talking to us through the blood 938 00:50:58,446 --> 00:51:00,622 on these walls. 939 00:51:00,709 --> 00:51:03,190 She is screaming out 940 00:51:03,277 --> 00:51:06,237 for truth and for justice. 941 00:51:06,324 --> 00:51:08,326 The defense has told us 942 00:51:08,413 --> 00:51:11,068 Kathleen Peterson died in an accident. 943 00:51:13,505 --> 00:51:15,550 But Kathleen 944 00:51:15,637 --> 00:51:17,770 is telling us 945 00:51:17,857 --> 00:51:19,293 she died of murder. 946 00:51:22,775 --> 00:51:25,473 Michael: Kathleen was my life. 947 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,867 I've whispered her name in my heart a thousand times. 948 00:51:31,697 --> 00:51:34,003 I would never have done anything to hurt her. 949 00:51:37,790 --> 00:51:39,487 And we will prove it in court. 950 00:51:39,574 --> 00:51:41,576 Reporter: December 21st, 2001, 951 00:51:41,663 --> 00:51:43,970 Michael Peterson turned himself in to the police. 952 00:51:44,057 --> 00:51:46,059 Only five years earlier, 953 00:51:46,146 --> 00:51:48,496 the future looked bright for Michael and Kathleen, 954 00:51:48,583 --> 00:51:50,542 getting married at their Forest Hills mansion with family. 955 00:51:50,629 --> 00:51:54,372 To Kathleen, our sister. 956 00:51:54,459 --> 00:51:56,504 And to Michael, 957 00:51:57,679 --> 00:51:59,812 our new brother. 958 00:51:59,899 --> 00:52:01,901 Reporter: Kathleen's sisters now find themselves 959 00:52:01,988 --> 00:52:03,424 standing with the prosecution, 960 00:52:03,511 --> 00:52:04,991 hoping for the jury to deliver 961 00:52:05,078 --> 00:52:07,646 some justice for their sister. 962 00:52:07,733 --> 00:52:09,604 Well, it's going to be a beautiful sunny day today. 963 00:52:09,691 --> 00:52:11,519 And we can expect much more of the same 964 00:52:11,606 --> 00:52:13,217 over the next couple of days. 965 00:52:13,304 --> 00:52:14,218 You might want to do something... 966 00:52:14,305 --> 00:52:15,306 Todd? 967 00:52:17,612 --> 00:52:18,657 Margaret? 968 00:52:21,268 --> 00:52:22,356 Kids? 969 00:52:56,608 --> 00:52:58,305 Judge Hudson: Ms. Forewoman, would you please pass 970 00:52:58,392 --> 00:53:00,046 the bailiff the verdict? 971 00:53:03,136 --> 00:53:04,050 Thank you. 972 00:53:29,771 --> 00:53:32,426 Now, if you think you're going to have difficulty 973 00:53:32,513 --> 00:53:34,820 accepting the jury's verdict, 974 00:53:34,907 --> 00:53:36,952 we're going to give you an opportunity 975 00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:38,389 to leave right now. 976 00:53:44,003 --> 00:53:45,309 Alright, Ms. Clerk. 977 00:53:48,137 --> 00:53:49,704 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 978 00:53:49,791 --> 00:53:51,663 you have returned the following verdict 979 00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:53,491 in the case of State of North Carolina 980 00:53:53,578 --> 00:53:55,449 versus Michael Iver Peterson. 981 00:53:58,017 --> 00:54:01,499 Michael: And... that's all she wrote. 982 00:54:04,545 --> 00:54:05,720 Want to grab another? 983 00:54:07,069 --> 00:54:08,549 We got that nice pinot from Bill. 984 00:54:08,636 --> 00:54:11,030 Kathleen: Mm. I should really call it a day. 985 00:54:12,336 --> 00:54:14,860 I still have to check that email. 986 00:54:14,947 --> 00:54:17,515 Michael: Well, I don't know who you are, 987 00:54:17,602 --> 00:54:20,431 but my wife never says no to a second bottle. 988 00:54:20,518 --> 00:54:23,129 Kathleen: Oh, she sounds fun. 989 00:54:23,216 --> 00:54:24,435 Michael: She is. 990 00:56:29,516 --> 00:56:30,604 Oh hey. 991 00:56:34,565 --> 00:56:35,783 You're still up. 992 00:56:42,703 --> 00:56:43,704 What's up? 993 00:56:46,490 --> 00:56:47,491 Kathleen? 994 00:56:49,231 --> 00:56:51,190 I always knew, I think, 995 00:56:52,147 --> 00:56:53,497 somewhere underneath. 996 00:56:55,020 --> 00:56:56,848 I mean, who knows, maybe I even liked it. 997 00:56:56,935 --> 00:56:58,197 What are you talking about? 998 00:57:03,724 --> 00:57:05,073 Why didn't you tell me? 999 00:57:07,206 --> 00:57:09,426 You could have told me. It could have been our secret. 1000 00:57:09,513 --> 00:57:11,602 I think... 1001 00:57:11,689 --> 00:57:13,734 Yeah, I-I think I could have lived with that. 1002 00:57:13,821 --> 00:57:15,954 Kathleen, come on. What are you talking about? 1003 00:57:20,349 --> 00:57:21,699 I'm talking... 1004 00:57:26,051 --> 00:57:27,792 I'm talking about the porn... 1005 00:57:29,184 --> 00:57:31,796 and the escorts and the men, 1006 00:57:31,883 --> 00:57:33,885 the men, the men! 1007 00:57:40,152 --> 00:57:41,501 Whatever you think you saw... 1008 00:57:42,850 --> 00:57:43,982 you're drunk. 1009 00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:45,984 I'm a writer. 1010 00:57:47,681 --> 00:57:48,769 Alright? 1011 00:57:50,118 --> 00:57:51,424 It's called research. 1012 00:57:51,511 --> 00:57:52,991 Research? 1013 00:57:53,078 --> 00:57:54,471 Oh my God. 1014 00:57:55,515 --> 00:57:58,605 Stop lying, Michael. 1015 00:57:58,692 --> 00:58:02,304 Oh, God, the lying! 1016 00:58:02,391 --> 00:58:05,612 The arrogance, the selfishness. 1017 00:58:05,699 --> 00:58:07,266 I mean, Jesus! 1018 00:58:07,353 --> 00:58:10,138 You have managed me and humiliated me, 1019 00:58:10,225 --> 00:58:11,923 and I swore to myself that I would never be 1020 00:58:12,010 --> 00:58:14,360 this woman again, this fucking victim. 1021 00:58:14,447 --> 00:58:16,101 Kathleen, come on. Come on. 1022 00:58:16,188 --> 00:58:17,711 This is ridiculous. Let's just... 1023 00:58:17,798 --> 00:58:19,800 Oh no, you don't, pal. Not this time. 1024 00:58:19,887 --> 00:58:22,150 No, no, you don't get to Michael Peterson your way out of this. 1025 00:58:22,237 --> 00:58:24,022 - Listen to me. - No. 1026 00:58:24,109 --> 00:58:26,590 No, you listen to me! 1027 00:58:40,865 --> 00:58:43,824 I am, I am your wife. 1028 00:58:51,789 --> 00:58:53,834 And I'm, I'm leaving you. 1029 00:58:54,835 --> 00:58:56,489 No, you're not. 1030 00:58:56,576 --> 00:58:58,970 You're, you're tired and you're drunk-- 1031 00:58:59,057 --> 00:59:00,972 I am not drunk! Stop saying that. 1032 00:59:01,059 --> 00:59:03,627 I am not drunk. I am leaving! 1033 00:59:03,714 --> 00:59:05,977 I am done playing house with you! 1034 00:59:06,064 --> 00:59:07,631 Lower your voice. Lower your voice, Kathleen. 1035 00:59:07,718 --> 00:59:09,241 You are nothing but a fucking fraud. 1036 00:59:09,328 --> 00:59:12,287 You are nothing but a thief and a con man. 1037 00:59:12,374 --> 00:59:14,463 And you have nothing. 1038 00:59:14,551 --> 00:59:17,118 You are nothing. Do you hear me, Michael? 1039 00:59:17,205 --> 00:59:18,946 I have given my whole life 1040 00:59:19,033 --> 00:59:21,079 to a pathetic closet case nothing! 1041 00:59:21,166 --> 00:59:23,211 I said shut up! 1042 00:59:23,298 --> 00:59:24,386 Oh! 1043 00:59:30,392 --> 00:59:31,524 Michael: Stop! 1044 00:59:41,142 --> 00:59:42,404 Michael: Oh my God. 1045 00:59:44,058 --> 00:59:45,103 Oh God. 1046 00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:46,974 Kathleen. Fuck! 1047 00:59:48,628 --> 00:59:50,543 Just... Oh my God. 1048 00:59:53,459 --> 00:59:55,156 Oh fuck. Fuck! 1049 00:59:55,243 --> 00:59:56,505 Fuck. 1050 01:00:00,509 --> 01:00:02,163 Michael: Oh God. 1051 01:00:04,426 --> 01:00:07,647 Alright. Okay? Here you go. 1052 01:00:07,734 --> 01:00:10,824 No. No, honey. Honey, it's okay. 1053 01:00:10,911 --> 01:00:13,131 Here you go. You're okay. 1054 01:00:13,218 --> 01:00:15,089 You see? You're alright. 1055 01:00:15,176 --> 01:00:16,134 No, no, no. 1056 01:00:21,008 --> 01:00:22,227 You're alright. It's okay. 1057 01:00:23,184 --> 01:00:24,621 It's okay. 1058 01:00:24,708 --> 01:00:26,448 Uh, you tripped. 1059 01:00:51,473 --> 01:00:53,345 Oh God. Baby. 1060 01:00:57,697 --> 01:00:59,612 Honey, you're alright. 1061 01:00:59,699 --> 01:01:01,092 Okay. Okay. 1062 01:01:05,574 --> 01:01:07,751 Kathleen? 1063 01:01:09,883 --> 01:01:10,884 Kathleen. 1064 01:01:39,913 --> 01:01:41,828 Clerk: Ms. Foreperson, on behalf of the jury, 1065 01:01:41,915 --> 01:01:43,351 do you affirm this verdict? 1066 01:01:44,918 --> 01:01:46,485 Forewoman: Yes. 1067 01:01:49,227 --> 01:01:51,708 Mr. Peterson, would you please stand where you are? 1068 01:01:57,191 --> 01:01:58,671 Judge Hudson: Is there anything that you would like to say 1069 01:01:58,758 --> 01:02:00,586 before the court imposes sentencing? 1070 01:02:01,848 --> 01:02:02,936 I would only... 1071 01:02:06,635 --> 01:02:07,854 It's okay. 1072 01:02:07,941 --> 01:02:09,943 It's okay. 1073 01:02:12,119 --> 01:02:13,468 Michael: It's okay. 1074 01:02:14,252 --> 01:02:15,470 It's okay. 1075 01:02:18,735 --> 01:02:21,041 Judge Hudson: Alright, Ms. Clerk, the defendant is imprisoned 1076 01:02:21,128 --> 01:02:23,957 to the state of North Carolina Department of Corrections 1077 01:02:24,044 --> 01:02:26,046 for the remainder of his natural life 1078 01:02:26,133 --> 01:02:27,744 without the benefit of parole. 1079 01:02:29,658 --> 01:02:32,574 Bailiff, would you please take the prisoner into custody? 1080 01:03:01,778 --> 01:03:03,127 Hold here. 1081 01:03:03,214 --> 01:03:04,476 You'll be taken outside in a minute. 1082 01:03:35,115 --> 01:03:36,725 Not now, Jean. Please. 1083 01:03:55,527 --> 01:03:57,442 - Are you alright? - No, I'm not. 1084 01:04:00,924 --> 01:04:02,882 I'm scared. 1085 01:04:07,147 --> 01:04:08,627 Jean: Okay, Sophie. 1086 01:04:11,673 --> 01:04:13,806 Let's try this again. 1087 01:04:15,503 --> 01:04:17,462 What is your relationship with Michael Peterson? 1088 01:04:25,818 --> 01:04:28,299 Michael: It's okay. 1089 01:04:28,386 --> 01:04:30,344 Judge Hudson: Mr. Peterson, would you please stand where you are? 1090 01:04:30,431 --> 01:04:32,607 Alright, Ms. Clerk. 1091 01:04:32,694 --> 01:04:34,305 The defendant is imprisoned to the state of North Carolina 1092 01:04:34,392 --> 01:04:36,307 Department of Corrections 1093 01:04:36,394 --> 01:04:38,352 for the remainder of his natural life 1094 01:04:38,439 --> 01:04:39,745 without the benefit of parole. 1095 01:04:41,790 --> 01:04:42,966 Judge Hudson: Bailiff, would you please take 1096 01:04:43,053 --> 01:04:44,489 the prisoner into custody. 1097 01:04:44,576 --> 01:04:46,708 Sophie: Dear Michael... 1098 01:04:46,795 --> 01:04:48,536 you don't know me, but I know you. 1099 01:04:53,150 --> 01:04:55,413 I've followed your story with bated breath, 1100 01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:57,894 hoping for the exoneration you so deserve. 1101 01:05:01,201 --> 01:05:03,377 I know you're innocent and that you and your family 1102 01:05:03,464 --> 01:05:06,206 have been failed by a broken justice system. 1103 01:05:11,168 --> 01:05:13,257 I know because I've seen it, 1104 01:05:13,344 --> 01:05:15,912 moment by moment, frame by frame. 1105 01:05:32,145 --> 01:05:34,669 Sophie: And rest assured, while you wait for freedom, 1106 01:05:34,756 --> 01:05:36,367 your story will be told. 1107 01:05:37,585 --> 01:05:39,065 I will tell it for you. 1108 01:05:40,023 --> 01:05:41,372 Sincerely yours, 1109 01:05:41,459 --> 01:05:42,677 Sophie. 1110 01:05:44,941 --> 01:05:45,985 Hm? 1111 01:05:51,556 --> 01:05:53,906 Michael: Kathleen and I were watching a movie, 1112 01:05:53,993 --> 01:05:56,604 um, "America's Sweethearts." 1113 01:05:56,691 --> 01:05:59,477 I-I think it was probably around 11 o'clock. 1114 01:06:00,217 --> 01:06:01,696 Um...